Pabligbagan Sang Anganggé:Angayubagia/Arsip 2019

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Congratulations

As you may see, the Balinese Wikipedia has now been created, and to the best of my knowledge, all content has been imported! Congratulations! Please notify the other contributors. If you notice some content missing, please let me know, and the same if there's anything else if I could help with. Jon Harald Søby (pabligbagan) 14 Oktober 2019 21.43 (WITA)

Thanks mate, @Jon Harald Søby: you are awesome. I will try the Wiki first. What is the step after this? I mean, do you will delete all data in incubator? or can we still using Incubator for a while? Thanks again. Joseagush (pabligbagan) 14 Oktober 2019 21.46 (WITA)

Ladsgroup did the hard work, he's the one to be thanked! :D

You can start editing here immediately – the Incubator content will be locked and then deleted, I believe. I'm not 100 % up-to-date on the procedures on Incubator, but I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

One of the first things you should do is create a village pump or discussion page, and elect one (or preferrably more) administrators, who can edit protected pages (like the pages in the MediaWiki namespace) and delete pages and block users as necessary. Jon Harald Søby (pabligbagan) 14 Oktober 2019 21.53 (WITA)

Yes, sending my regard to @Ladsgroup:. He is the best developer in Wikipedia.. Ok. Thank you for your info. I will try to send the message to the community and ask them to start editing. Once more. Thank you a lot. Joseagush (pabligbagan) 14 Oktober 2019 21.55 (WITA)

Hi @Jon Harald Søby:, one from my community can't edit or create new page. Is there any delay or lag? Also, the {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} not counting. Thanks. Joseagush (pabligbagan) 14 Oktober 2019 22.13 (WITA)

Hmm, do you know what error that user is getting? There has been one bug report about not being able to log in here: phab:T235446, could it be the same problem? They should be able to log in here on Incubator and then when they access ban.wikipedia.org they will be automatically logged in.

For this, I still not quite knew whats going on. I think the problem is in the ip address which conflict or banned. My suggestion is to create new account using different email setup in same ip address. If its still can't than its the ip address problem. Either than that, i am not sure. Joseagush (pabligbagan) 15 Oktober 2019 10.11 (WITA)

As for {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}, it might take a few days for it to work properly. I noticed the same when the N'Ko Wikipedia was created, that it didn't show the right number, but after a few days it started working like it should. Special:Statistics shows the same – when that started working in the N'Ko Wikipedia, the NUMBEROFARTICLES magic word started working as it should as well. Jon Harald Søby (pabligbagan) 15 Oktober 2019 04.46 (WITA)

Ok. Thanks for the info. Joseagush (pabligbagan) 15 Oktober 2019 10.11 (WITA)

For the record, all Wikimedia wikis get their articles recounted (along with [almost?] all other statistics listed at Special:Statistics) twice a month, on the 1st and 15th of the month (at 5:39am UTC, if I recall correctly [and if it hasn't changed]). Since this wiki was created just before October 15th, its statstics were not counted until that day. - dcljr (pabligbagan) 17 Oktober 2019 10.09 (WITA)

Bug problem in Category pages, Visual Editor and HotCat?

@Jon Harald Søby: and @Ladsgroup:, We have some problem again and its need to fix this week because we have another wiki training this Saturday, and if this not working we must change all presentation:

• All Category pages can access but nothing there. What's wrong? I must used {{PAGENAME}} and put it on every category code in articles to make the {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} starting to counted.
• Visual Editor not working as it supposed. We can open it but nothing there, no text. When we try to edit it we can't save it.
• the cite icon above is also not working.
• HotCat fiture not working in this wiki?

Thanks again. You guys rock. Joseagush (pabligbagan) 16 Oktober 2019 14.46 (WITA)

Please see my reply at Pabligbagan:Kaca Utama#Comment. The article count is never affected by category links, only "regular wikilinks" (like the one in the first sentence of this comment). - dcljr (pabligbagan) 17 Oktober 2019 10.03 (WITA)

Just to get this on the record on this talk page (further details available at Pabligbagan:Kaca Utama#Comment): It is the mere fact that you are editing pages that is fixing the category issue (pages tagged with categories not showing up in those categories). I'm guessing the importing must have been done before the "Category:" prefix was properly localized (to "Kategori:"). Or maybe it's a more fundamental importing bug. Whatever. You definitely do not have to use a sortkey (like "|{{PAGENAME}}", which would in fact be totally equivalent to having no sortkey at all) on the category links to make the pages appear in the categories. And you also cannot make a non-article into an article by changing a category link in any way (adding, modifying, or removing). Again, if this is actually affecting the article count, it must be the mere fact that the page is being edited that is causing that to happen. Any edit to a page would presumably have the same affect — including edits that make no changes at all to the page source (null edits). Try null-editing many pages (ones that have not been edited since being imported) and see if it affects the article count (it should not — but I know it will fix the pages-not-in-categories problem). - dcljr (pabligbagan) 17 Oktober 2019 11.40 (WITA)

Just to clarify further: if this wiki was not configured to recognize [[Kategori:…]] as a category link (that puts a page into a category) before importing was done, then pages containing such links would not be placed into the appropriate categories as they were imported. This is what I think happened. If the wiki had been properly configured, then pages would have been properly categorized as they were imported. If the configuration is changed (to recognize "Kategori:") after pages already exist on the wiki, they are not all suddenly "rescanned" and properly categorized — that would only happen to pages individually as they are saved. That is why saving a page, even after changing nothing at all in the page's contents, causes the saved page to suddenly appear in the proper category (or categories). Fun! [wink] Now, it is possible for a maintenance script to be run to fix all the page categorization at once (I think). But it may take longer to get a sysadmin to do that for you than to simply null-edit every page on the wiki yourself. (Like I said, I can do this — or help to do this — if you can wait for a couple of days for it to happen. Let me know if you are going to start doing that yourself, so we can coordinate our efforts.) - dcljr (pabligbagan) 17 Oktober 2019 12.14 (WITA)

Ok. Thank you very much. Its very clear now. i will wait for a week to see what happen. This Saturday, 19th October 2019, we will held wiki training for our community here, so the wiki will be loaded with more articles, I hope. I hope doesn't make any glitch or bug. Thanks anyway. Joseagush (pabligbagan) 17 Oktober 2019 13.34 (WITA)

Sorting of people's names

As you know, I have been removing sortkeys from many articles here because they are unnecessary. One place where they may be needed, however, is in articles for people. In most languages/countries, people's names are sorted by last name. But some sort by first name (including those who say the family name first). Do you know how to properly sort the people in, say, Kategori:Tokoh and Kategori:Pahlawan (the latter of which I'm not sure is an appropriate category name, since it appears to mean "hero")? In particular, see this edit of mine. - dcljr (pabligbagan) 19 Oktober 2019 14.57 (WITA)

Thanks. Noted. Yes, Pahlawan means hero or heroes. We here used first name (including those who say the family name first). It still discussed with other communities as Balinese don't have the culture for "family name" as in Western countries. But, instead balinese or asian names, we prefer using family name first for western names. Joseagush (pabligbagan) 19 Oktober 2019 17.41 (WITA)

Image settings

Please see this edit of mine (note the edit summary on the right, not the one on the left). The parameter "thumb" means make it a small image floated to the right, so "right" is redundant in that case. Whether this kind of change is necessary or desired is debatable, but I prefer it myself. Also, more importantly, users can set their own preferred default thumbnail image size in their preferences (under the "Appearance" tab) — and this choice may be made for very good reasons (e.g., vision problems, using a display with much greater or lower resolution than normal, etc.) — so setting thumbnail sizes in pixels in articles is generally discouraged. The system default is 220px, but users can choose from among several sizes from 120px up to 400px. If a particular image needs to be smaller or larger than "the average" image (because it's especially short and wide, or tall and narrow, or because it contains a significant amount of detail), then the "upright" parameter can be used, which specifies a multiple by which to scale the image (by 75% if "upright" alone is used, or by a user-specified amount if "upright" is set equal to a number). See these two edits for examples. Such relative sizing works with user's preferences, while hardcoding sizes in pixels does not. Details about "upright" may be found at en:Wikipedia:Extended image syntax#Size. - dcljr (pabligbagan) 19 Oktober 2019 15.50 (WITA)

Thanks. Noted. So no need to make it right and 250px. Ok. Joseagush (pabligbagan) 19 Oktober 2019 17.41 (WITA)

Pinging

Regarding this edit, please note that multiple users can be notified in a single call to {{ping}} (up to 50 of them!) and that the "User:" prefix ("Sang Anganggé:") is unnecessary when calling the template. So, in other words, you could have accomplished the same thing with the following code:

{{ping|Wirjadisastra|Wandering ant|Siti Noviali|Luh Gede Krismayanti|Kadek Ayu Sulastri|Eka343|Dcljr|Jon Harald Søby}}

Now ya know. [grin] - dcljr (pabligbagan) 20 Oktober 2019 12.14 (WITA)

Thanks. Need to learn a lot. Joseagush (pabligbagan) 20 Oktober 2019 12.34 (WITA)

Editors, Administrators and Bureaucrats

Hi @Jon Harald Søby lan Dcljr:, What is the standard for choosing Editors, Administrators and Bureaucrats? Thanks. Joseagush (pabligbagan) 25 Oktober 2019 12.19 (WITA)

By default, everyone is an editor (i.e., everyone can edit the wiki, unless they're on a page with some level of protection enabled on it). If you mean a "reviewer" (someone who can approve "pending changes" to an article, which apparently some wikis call "editor"), then that doesn't seem to apply here because the Flagged Revisions extension is not enabled on this wiki. As for admins and bureaucrats, it is my understanding that they should be voted into their positions by the consensus of the local wiki community (i.e., following a discussion at, say, Wikipédia:Pasangkepan). A small amount of information is available at m:Administrator and m:Bureaucrat (and m:Consensus). Much more information can be found at en:Wikipedia:Administrators and en:Wikipedia:Bureaucrats (and en:Wikipedia:Consensus), but those pages are specifically about the English Wikipedia. - dcljr (pabligbagan) 26 Oktober 2019 10.46 (WITA)

Delete please

Hi. Can you take a look at Mal:Basa Daérah ring Indonésia? Its a broken transclusion of a user page. Thanks, --DannyS712 (pabligbagan) 14 Nopémber 2019 10.08 (WITA)

 Pragat. Joseagush (pabligbagan) 14 Nopémber 2019 10.10 (WITA)